Hey guys, can you create a permanent discord link? The current one expired. [[User:PostRobcore|PostRobcore]] ([[User talk:PostRobcore|talk]]) 19:51, 21 December 2017 (CST)

== Ideas/ suggestions for a standardized Logic Setup. ==

Hello guys!

I have made a system for distribute Logic Setups. This way we can have a "Standard" system for each and every Logic Setup added to the Wiki. It is nothing fancy or sensational. It just takes every Logic Unit in to a format it is uniform.

I made this in Evernote, as I use this a lot for many things.

My way might not be what everyone want.
But might be a way to get every new guide or tutorial in sync with what is needed for every level the players are at in their experience with the game.

Another thing, is there a forum we talk about this Wiki for Stationeers?
Or is it just this talk thing we share ideas for the site?

Here is an example:
(Tried to edit to Wiki setup, but I'm on phone. And new to using the Wiki. So this look much better in my notes than in here. At least for now.)

==== Material List ====
===== Logic Memory =====
*3x Logic Memory Unit
===== Logic I/O=====
*1x Logic Reader Unit
===== Logic Processor =====
*2x Logic Math Unit
===== Logic Processor =====
*1x Logic Min/Max Unit
===== Logic I/O =====
*Batch Writer Unit
===== Sensor =====
*1x Solar Sensor
===== Power Control/Storage =====
*1x Area Power Control (APC)
===== Solar Panels =====
*3x Solar Panels
===== Miscellaneous =====
*"x" Amount of Standard Cable
*"x" Amount of Heavy Cable

==== Settings ====
===== Logic Memory 1 of 3 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Memory 15
*Memory Set: 15

===== Logic Memory 2 of 3 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Memory 1.5
*Memory Set: 1.5

===== Logic Memory 3 of 3 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Memory 100
*Memory Set: 100

===== Logic Reader 1 of 1 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Logic Reader 1
*In: Daylight Sensor
*Var: Solar Angle

===== Math Unit 1 of 2 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Math Unit 1
*Input 1: Result > Logic Reader 1
*Input 2: Memory 15
*Out (Operation Selector): Subtract

===== Math Unit 2 of 2 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Math Unit 2
*Input 1: Result > Math Unit 1
*Input 2: Memory 1.5
*Out (Operation Selector): Divide

===== Min/Max Unit 1 of 1 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Min-Max 1
*Input 1: Result > Math Unit 2
*Input 2: Memory 100
*OPR (Less/Greater Selector): Less

===== Batch Writer 1 of 1 (Settings): =====
*Label Name: Batch Writer 1
*Input 1: Result > Min-Max 1
*Out Var: Vertical
*Out Type: Solar Panels

== IC Scripts ==

(The following comment was removed from the Main_Page HTML and placed here for greater visibility)<br/>
Due to all the IC Scripts on the workshop have there own guides on how to use them, I will not link them here for now due to how many there is, could do a top 10 of them and place them here.

== Kit Pages ==

For items that are produced as a kit, there are links both for the kit and the resulting item. In many cases, only one of these links points towards an existing page. I propose that we merge pages for items that are produced by the same kit, as is currently done in [[Kit (Lights)]], and use page redirects for the sub items, as in [[Kit (Lights) LED]].
Edit: I've done this for the manufacturing and atmospherics sections. If no one objects or reverts those, I'll continue to the other sections later.

Secondarily, on this main page, I think we should only mention "Kit" if there is more than one item related to that kit. E.g., "Kit () Fabricator" could be simplified to "Fabricator", but lights would keep their kit notation: "Kit (Lights) Diode Slide" and "Kit (Lights) LED".

Are there any objections to this?

--[[User:Ipottinger|Ipottinger]] ([[User talk:Ipottinger|talk]]) 22:28, 15 October 2019 (CDT) :: I was the one who separated them out, with kits that currently only produce one item denoted as "Kit() ItemName" and kits that already produce multiple items denoted as "Kit (KitName) ItemName". I think the kits and the resulting items they produce deserve separate pages. All kits share the same set of properties (stackable, stack-siZe, cost of fabrication) that are separate for the items they produce (construction steps, power requirements, data properties). The two states, kit vs. item, are distinct. I value consistency and hope to produce a template for kits that will provide a predictable format for their shared information. Similarly, I'm studying the collection of items to see if a template can be made to cover them as well. See: [[Special:MyLanguage/Kit (Door)|Kit (Door)]] vs. [[Special:MyLanguage/Kit (Door) Composite Door|Composite Door]] and [[Special:MyLanguage/Kit (Blast Door) Blast Door|Blast Door]]. I've been a bit busy but I do intend to get that done. Can I ask for a bit of time, patience and maybe some help?

--[[User:Bloby|Bloby]] (Edited): I see what you mean about the different properties, and agree that it needs to be clear that the kits and their constructs are different. That said, I'm not sure that the best way to achieve that is to have separate pages for them: this would result in more than 100 new pages often containing only a few sentences of information. Your point that we should be consistent across items is well taken, and so maybe the best way to deal with this is to give each item one page. The infobox for the kit (the actual item) could be put at the top of the page, with the constructs as subsections (and separate infoboxes) below. Otherwise you're putting the constructs (not an item) on even footing with the kit (an item). The [[Atmospherics]] page is a good example of this. The exact templating scheme could be adjusted to reflect this; for example, it might be worth having differently styled boxes for items vs constructs. Does this sound reasonable?

--[[User:Ipottinger|Ipottinger]] ([[User talk:Ipottinger|talk]]) 19:29, 16 October 2019 (CDT) The [[Atmospherics]] page is a good example of what I would like to avoid. It is a huge conglomeration of different sets of information. New users, the people most likely to come to the wikia, must weed through a long page to find the information specific to the item of their interested. It would be far more helpful (and less intimidating) if they were greeted with a shorter page concentrated with the information on one specific kit or item. I don't see a problem with kits and items being on the same level and having their own pages. Both are entities in the game. A kit can be manipulated in the game just as much as any item. Any distinction seems meaningless. Webpages are free and there is no shortage of them. Why must "conserving" pages be a goal? It is my opinion that the [[Atmospherics]] page would be better served as four separate pages: [[Kit (Atmospherics)|Kit (Atmospherics)]] | [[Kit (Atmospherics) Air Conditioner|Air Conditioner]] | [[Kit (Atmospherics) Electrolyzer|Electrolyzer]] | [[Kit (Atmospherics) Filtration|Filtration]]. While I will advocate my point of view, I realize I am in no position to make dictates. I am eager to hear your points and counterpoints. I '''will''' listen.

As an example of my vision, please examine what I've done with [[Guide (Airlock)|Guide (Airlock)]] and all its associated pages, including [[Guide (Airlock) Atmosphere to Atmosphere]], [[Guide (Airlock) Atmosphere to Vacuum]], [[Kit (Airlock)]], [[Kit (Airlock) Airlock]], [[Circuitboard (Airlock)]] and [[Circuitboard (Advanced Airlock)]]. I tried to breakdown a complicated system into discrete parts of different functions and link them all together with contextual links and a comprehensive "See Also" section. You can examine the histories of the pages to see how the work progressed.

I have some time on my hands. Give me the day to try my hand on that monolithic [[Atmospherics]] page. You can then judge if the resulting collection of pages is or is not a better experience, especially for newer players.

--[[User:Ipottinger|Ipottinger]] ([[User talk:Ipottinger|talk]]) 05:56, 17 October 2019 (CDT) Okay, The original [[Atmospherics]] page remains, but I have created new pages for [[Kit (Atmospherics)|Kit (Atmospherics)]] | [[Kit (Atmospherics) Air Conditioner|Air Conditioner]] | [[Kit (Atmospherics) Electrolyzer|Electrolyzer]] | [[Kit (Atmospherics) Filtration|Filtration]], all linked from the main page. I will finish the [[Guide (Air Conditioner)]], [[Guide (Electrolyzer)]], and [[Guide (Filtration)]] later.

--[[User:Bloby|Bloby]]: Okay, I see better what you're wanting to do with the atmospherics. At this point I think they're probably both fine, so we may as well go with your preference for splitting the page. I see a couple of related issues that we might want to consider as well. The biggest two issues are:
# Single construct kits. Are we going to split up pages like [[Autolathe]] as well then? It seems like this would be most consistent, but less obviously necessary.
# Minor variants:
#* Stairs actually have three constructs: no railing, right side railing, and left side railing. Aside from their collision meshes, there are no mechanical differences. I don't really think these deserve four total pages, even assuming that kits like Atmospherics are split up.
#* Cladding has 13 constructs of varying shapes. Some of them have a 2x1x1 shape, and therefore take two Kit(Cladding) to construct. Again, I think they should be on one page.
#* Floor grating is basically the same story as stairs, with four variants.
#* Lights use different shapes, but their power consumption varies. I'm not really sure about this one.
Anyway, let me know what you think. I appreciate and share your desire to talk it through.

--[[User:Ipottinger|Ipottinger]] ([[User talk:Ipottinger|talk]]) 17:53, 18 October 2019 (CDT) I agree with you on all points above.
# Single construct kits. We should split up pages like [[Autolathe]] as well. It will be most consistent, It will be what anyone who has browsed the wiki for a length of time will come to expect and it will set a clear president for future kits and items added to the game.
# Minor variants:
#* Kits that produce multiple variants that are only trivially different from one another do require individual pages for those varients. A simple table of characteristics should enough to guide a player to the appropriate variant.
#* I agree that Lights is a difficult one. Though [[Kit (Lights) Wall Light|Wall Light]], [[Kit (Lights) Wall Light (Long)|Wall Light (Long)]], [[Kit (Lights) Wall Light (Long Angled)|Wall Light (Long Angled)]] and [[Kit (Lights) Wall Light (Long Wide)|Wall Light (Long Wide)]] are all essentially the same, albeit in size and shape, they are substantially distinct in form and function from [[Kit (Lights) Diode Slide|Diode Slide]] and [[Kit (Lights) Wall Light (Battery)|Wall Light (Battery)]]. Even [[Kit (Lights) LED|LED]] colorization is different enough from other Lights variant to cause confusion for a new player. Therefore, I think it would be wise to get Lights variants three separate pages. One for the common lights, another for LED, and a third for the battery variant.

Talk:Main Page

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Ipottinger: example kit / item separation

Kit (Portable Hydroponics) Portable Hydroponics

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Kit (Hydroponic Tray) Hydroponic Tray

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Kit (Hydroponic Station) Hydroponic Station

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Kit (Automated Hydroponics) Automated Hydroponics

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Kit (Suit Storage) Suit Storage

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Kit (Crate) Crate

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Kit (Container Mount) Container Mount

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Kit (Speaker) Klaxon Speaker

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Kit (Computer) Computer

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Kit (Computer) Computer

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Kit (Beacon) Beacon

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Kit (Consoles) LED Display

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Kit (Trigger Plate) Trigger Plate (Small)

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Kit (Trigger Plate) Trigger Plate (Medium)

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Kit (Trigger Plate) Trigger Plate (Large)

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Kit (IC Housing) IC Housing

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Kit (Transformer Small) Transformer Small

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Kit (Transformer) Transformer

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Kit (Power Controller) Power Controller

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Kit (Turbine Generator) Turbine Generator

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Kit (Solid Generator) Solid Generator

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Kit (Solar Panel) Solar Panel

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Kit (Portable Generator) Portable Generator

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Kit (Gas Fuel Generator) Gas Fuel Generator

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Kit (Cable Fuses) Cable Fuses

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Kit (Cable Analyser) Cable Analyser

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Kit (Battery Charger) Battery Charger

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Kit (Battery) Battery

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Kit (Tank Connector) Tank Connector

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Kit (Portable Tank) Portable Tank

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Kit (Canister Storage) Canister Storage

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Kit (Pipe Meter) Pipe Meter

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Kit (Pipe Analyzer) Pipe Analyzer

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Kit (Portable Scrubber) Portable Scrubber

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